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2/5/2010
Time to take a stand on WI's Global Warming Bill
It’s time for you to take action. Head to Madison. Call your legislator. Now. (To reach your legislator easily, go here.)
A huge bill is in committee now, with public hearings held this week and next week. Representative Jim Ott’s ominous message about SB 450 (AB 649, companion bill) was posted on FP earlier this week.
The fiscal estimate for Wisconsin’s Global Warming Bill (or as its currently titled by the majority party, the Clean Energy Jobs Bill) came out this week. The Wisconsin Policy Research Institute (WPRI), in collaboration with the Beacon Hill Institute determined the cost of the recommendations underlying SB 450 to be a loss of over 43,000 jobs through 2020. “Annual investment would drop by about $619 million and real disposable income by $7,908 million.”
Contrast that with the Dept. of Administration’s estimate of fiscal impact:
On the State: Indeterminate
On Local Governments: Indeterminate
Indeed. It’s a huge complex piece of legislation. 174 pages long. The bill description alone is 4 ½ pages long. The Legislative Reference Bureau’s analysis is 25 pages long.
Time to take a stand. Check out the WPRI piece linked above. Wisconsin Manufacturers and Commerce has critical info and links here. Call or e-mail your State Senator and your Representative. And consider attending one of the all-day public hearings on the bills. All hearings begin at 10:00 AM in the State Capitol, Madison.
- Wed., Feb. 10, 10:00 AM, 412 East (SB 450, on vehicles, fuels, transportation infrastructure, energy efficient buildings and equipment, bioenergy)
- Thurs., Feb. 11, 10:00 AM, 411 South (SB 450, on goals, public education, cap and trade report)
- Monday, Feb. 15, 10:00 AM, 412 East (AB 649)
Several members of the Sheboygan Liberty Coalition attended the "Green Jobs" bill hearing in Madison Tuesday of this week. Here’s what Tim Dake had to say about the visit:
What a joke - I now understand how this silliness gets passed.
There were many "business people" that were crying for passage because it would help them create jobs if there was a mandate. It has been a while since I had micro and macro economics in college but I am sure that in my business minor classes, we learned that innovation and creativity create more business and jobs than government force. One after another, they whined for rebates, tax credits and mandates to purchase their products.
One guy claimed that wind mill farms were huge job creation machines and that the new farm just completed launched hundreds of new jobs, but Rep. Scott Gunderson (bless his heart) tore this guy up by asking how many jobs he created AFTER the farm was complete. The guy said 5-10 and when Rep. Gunderson pushed him he changed it to "maybe 5." The hearing went on like this all afternoon.
Get there. February 10. February 11. Or February 15. Bring your friends and associates. And call your State Senator. Call your Representative. Now. Today.
Jo Egelhoff, FoxPolitics.net
COMMENTS
I sure wish I could trust the politicians to make these critical decisions. Half are taking money from Green industries and the other half from the offending industries.And all the while we taxpayers don't know -- I mean really don't know -- which argument is correct.
Jack Lohman (Fri Feb 05 08:21:56 2010)
Hi, I'm against this bill. I hate the earth, don't care about the environment nearly as much as I do my wallet, and am ignorant about the fact that the polar ice caps are about to turn to desert.
OK - now we have that out of the way ... certainly that will be the reply to my post, my position, and me. Done.
As for the substance, my point to these legislators will be DON'T SPEND MONEY WE DON'T HAVE UNLESS AND UNTIL ALL THIS CLIMATE CHANGE "THEORY" GETS BACKED BY SOME SCIENCE!
In the meantime, let's reduce our debt. Please. Thank you.
Jeff (Fri Feb 05 08:22:37 2010)
Since when did the number of pages in a bill become an argument against it? By that logic, you should oppose every budget proposed by any governmental body anywhere because...wait for it...IT USES MORE THAN ONE PAGE OF PAPER!
Don't be a hack (Fri Feb 05 09:00:16 2010)
I mention the length to refer to the complexity, all-inclusiveness and pervasiveness of this legislation. If I didn't make that point clearly enough, it's certainly one that needs to be made.
Jo (Fri Feb 05 09:11:18 2010)
Scientists all over are backing off the global warming bandwagon.
Government should be worried about real and present pitfalls before us.
Including and starting with WEA.
David (Fri Feb 05 09:37:44 2010)
Perhaps it should be noted that the head of Gov Doyle's task force on climate bills has a vested interest in the very legislation that the task force came up with. I always think it is great when someone's self interest coincides with "the public good."
My friend Tim Dake makes some very important observations. A truly economic enterprise does not need subsidies and tax breaks. We only further the demise of our economy and state bankruptcy by indulging such foolishness. And given the monumental amount of fraud by all the major "climate change" advocates, we would do well to wait AT LEAST until that fraud is settled before we compound the fraud with legislation that can not be justified by scientific evidence.
See my responses on the article from 2 days ago for more. (Jim Ott...)
CLIMATEGATE IS REAL!! WHO ARE THE DENIERS NOW??
Ken Van Doren (Fri Feb 05 10:45:48 2010)
"...we would do well to wait AT LEAST until that fraud is settled before we compound the fraud with legislation that can not be justified by scientific evidence."
We don't have that kind of time; this issue is too urgent to be held back by 'deniers' that are only trying to line the pockets of big corporations.
We MUST act quickly for a number of reasons: The polar ice caps are receeding at an increasing rate; the oceans are rising even as we speak; polar bears are dying, drowning in the ice melt, and the bloodbath is coming.
After the November 2, 2010 political bloodbath we won't have a majority anymore, and Scott Walker will be the Governor.
Duke (Fri Feb 05 11:20:07 2010)
And on this subject here's a short video from John Coleman, co-founder of the Weather Channel. It may confuse you further.
Jack Lohman (Fri Feb 05 11:42:48 2010)
We all need to be environmentally economical, as taught in our 1970s mass appeal to conserve energy, avoid pollution and to re-use and re-cycle. However, I have lost all confidence in the shabby science of global warming. A few years ago we were worried about freezing to death because the sun was losing power. I recently read a Nice France newpaper's account of the increasing size of Mount Blanc in the Alps. The article was honest in saying that the growth of the peak due to snow and ice was in contradiction to global warming scientist's expectations. They noted scientists were trying to find some explanation to collaborate the growth and warming but were as yet unable to get an explanation.
My sister-in-law recently spent $30,000 to convert her 90% 10 year old furnace for a 1200 sq. ft house to gyo-thermo heat. Her gas bill is gone but her electric bill is equilvalent to her former electric nat. gas invoice; it does not make sense to me to trash already spent resources.
Sue (Fri Feb 05 12:16:56 2010)
So, we should base our opinion of this bill on an opinion by WPRI "a Free Market Think tank". Why would we possibly expect WPRI to be unbiased?
What little I have seen of this bill looks good to me. Who has an unbiased view that can use to make judgement?
Dean Weichmann (Sat Feb 06 11:35:59 2010)
Here we go,after a quick search, another view about the effects of the bill or at least about WPRI.
Dean Weichmann (Sat Feb 06 11:44:26 2010)
So I guess some of you that have posted your idea's that Man made Global Warming is real, can anyone of you remember in the 70's how we were told that rising sea levels would cause coastal flooding in cities like Miami, New Orleans and Galveston? Well where is the melting polar ice caps and the coastal flooding?
Folks, if you follow the money, the very people who claim gloom and doom are the one who will profit off the taxes and the carbon credit trading market? Yeah, that would be Al Gore, who invested in the Energy Credit Trading market. Al is an investor in this. Also, I found it very suspicous that Governor Doyle attended the Copenhagen Summit in December. This is a scam designed to break the back of Industrial America all to protect us.
greatscott (Mon Feb 08 16:03:15 2010)
Global warming is a total hoax. The establishment/elite, want to create a carbon tax so they will profit and we will go deaper and deaper into slavery. It's about money!!! The military industrial complex and banking cartel want to create a New World Order. And to fund that they are attempting to create bogus issues like global warming. It a fraud on the surface.
Now Doyle is pushing for it.
The EPA now says the CO2 is a toxic substance. What we exhale, what plants take in. Do you realize that CO2 is part of the cycle of life.
Al Gore says the Polar Bear population is declining.. What rubbish!!
The earth goes through cyclical cycles.
Chad (Tue Feb 09 08:21:18 2010)
Greatscott and Chad, you have both suggested that we follow the money. I think you are right in that money has been used to influence opinion but you are blaming the wrong people. The money is primarily in the hands of existing business, the ones who have an interest in the status quo.
I ask you to go to this site to read about the carbon tax idea, please take your time and read with an open mind. These people are interested in the common good not personal gain.
http://www.carbontax.org/
Dean Weichmann (Tue Feb 09 11:02:59 2010)
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