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3/22/2010
News and commentary on historic health bill vote

Needless to say, this morning brought extensive news and commentary on yesterday's historic vote in the House of Representatives.

Stephen Huth, Aspen Publishers Health Reform Talk: Now it’s up to the Senate – details of needed legislative action and succinct breakdown of elements of the bill – responsibilities of employers and individuals, penalties and impacts on policy design.

Senate has long week ahead on health care. Washington Post

Senate is ready for looming health fight. Roll Call

GOP Senior Senators skeptical of blocking health reform bill. The Hill

For consumers, now clarity on health care changes. New York Times

Immediate (in next couple months) impact of passage of health reform bill. Kaiser Health News

Bill Kraus: Everyone lost in dealing with the health care crisis

Kimberley Strassel: Threats - and what they all got in exchange for their votes

Rep. Paul Ryan: The bill is a “fiscal Frankenstein.”
Rep. Patrick Kennedy: “Health care is not only a civil right, it’s a moral issue.” New York Times

Health care reform comes with a hefty co-pay for the nation. Christian Science Monitor

James Wigderson: Ryan is brilliant. Video of Ryan's floor speech Sunday.

Robert Costa: Paul Ryan is not ready to give up on health care

Ross Douthat – Now we really will find out what’s in the bill

[Passing the bill] will shed light, as well, on all other promises that piled up as the health care vote drew near — that the bill, its implicit abortion subsidies notwithstanding, will actually reduce the abortion rate, as T.R. Reid argued last week in the Washington Post; that it will create 400,000 new jobs “almost immediately,” as Pelosi recently claimed; that it will become more popular once implemented, as every Democrat insists; and so on through an array of happy possibilities.

The same goes for all the things that liberals are sure won’t happen. We’ll find out if the bill makes premiums skyrocket. We’ll find out if it creates doctor shortages. We’ll find out if the array of new taxes destroys more jobs than the new spending creates. We’ll find out if the fiscally essential firewall between the new, heavily subsidized exchanges and the old, less-subsidized employer-based system holds up. And in the (only slightly) longer run, we’ll find out if tacking an entitlement to comprehensive health insurance atop a groaning systemspeeds America’s rendezvous with a bankrupt, Californian future.

Peter Suderman: Health reform passes, but at what (financial) cost? http://reason.com/blog/2010/03/21/health-care-reform-passes-but

National Review’s panel of health care experts: What now?

Washington Examiner: Democrats to America: Drop Dead

Chris Stirewalt: Either learn to love ObamaCare, or sue to stop it.

John Boehner: “We have failed to listen to America” (via Kevin Fischer)

Victor Davis Hanson: We've crossed the Rubicon

Obama, Dems are ready, this week, to campaign on their health care victory. New York Times

For some Democrats, the fight for the health care bill brought to mind the civil rights marches of the 60s. New York Times

Health reform bill is boon for drugmakers, hospitals. Outlook for insurers is less certain. Private insurance will be purchased for many, with taxpayer subsidies. New York Times

William Saunders: “Congress failed to deliver a statutory prohibition on abortion funding in health care reform, and an executive order cannot do the job.”

Paul Krugman: In the debate leading up to the victory for health care reform, President Obama urged lawmakers to do what is right, while opponents relied on fear and cynicism.

Jim Rowen: Dems voting on the bill – each is a leader. As for Republicans:

How long do you think it will take for media to find opponents coming to their senses and realizing that seniors will get live-saving prescription benefits?

Or that young people can remain on their parents' health plans until age 26?

Or that cancellation of insurance during treatment, or denial of enrollment and coverage for pre-existing conditions, is over? This will unfold as did opposition to the stimulus bill, when naysayers in Congress also sought money for their districts, because the value of the stimulus was obvious and authentic.

David Frum: Hard to exaggerate the magnitude of the disaster for Republicans

Ribble, Priebus respond to passage of health care bill (via James Wigderson)

Doyle responds to passage of health care bill. Fox11

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COMMENTS

And yet another comment on the passage of the Health Care Control Bill:

Voters: Our reconciliation bill will pass by a wide margin on November 2nd. Bye-bye Democrat Party.

Duke (Mon Mar 22 06:36:14 2010)

Duke,
As you know, no republicans voted for the bill and several Democrats voted against the bill. A question for you. Do you think that at this stage in the game a Democrat voting against the bill if the bill was killed, would gain more votes in November from bill opponents (presumably mostly Republicans and Independents) or lose more votes from furious Democrats in a primary or stay at home voters. As far as votes go, simple math.

dave allen (Mon Mar 22 07:14:09 2010)

In reply I would suggest you look at Rep. Bob Zieglebauer of Manitowoc. He's a Democrat in the Wisconsin Assembly, but many times votes with the Republicans. In fact, on a very populist issue (abortion) he lost his chairmanship of a committee over his pro-life vote. Imagine him a Democrat Congressman who voted with the Republicans in the House against the healthcare takeover scheme. Would the Democrats in Manitowoc kick him out at the next election, or would the GOP/Independents see his nonpartisan support for his community and in turn support his reelection. I say he'd be reelected as a Democrat.

If Cong. "Dr. Millionaire" Kagan did the above, instead of marching in lock step off the cliff with Crazy Aunt Nancy, would he be reelected? Remember, you can't win an election with just the Democrats or just the Republicans. You have to get the bulk of the voters in the middle to join with your party in order to win.

With almost four-fifths of the voting public hating the idea of federal government control of health insurance and health care, I predict that even Democrats will vote against Kagen. In answer to your question, Dave, yes I believe a Democrat voting against this bill, whether it passed or not, would have a basis to gain reelection to his/her seat if that person wasn't from a place like Madison (Baldwin), Milwaukee (Coggs), or Insane Francisco.

I think Kagan, Kind, and Obey are toast next November. Let's see what happens to the handful of Democrats who voted with the GOP.

Duke (Mon Mar 22 09:22:31 2010)

Dave, you seem to think all Democrats are for this bill. That's an assumption that doesn't seem to bear with reality, in that according to the polls, anywhere from 55% to 70 % of people are against it. Union MEMBERS are distancing them selves from union BOSSES, who are seen more and more as part of the corruption.

I only hope people wake up and realize they must vote for PEOPLE WITH INTEGRITY, and not a party label, or we will continue our slide into statism.

emily matthews (Mon Mar 22 09:29:32 2010)

Duke and Emily,
Remember the base! The base, the base, the base. No party can abandon its base and survive. The polls don't mean a thing unless you look at all the polls, all the questions and the context. The more people learned what was in this bill the more the approval went up (in all polls) and by November the expectations of results will be there. The base wanted health care reform and this is the best it could get. If this passes in the Senate the difference in November's election between what happens and what would have happened will be huge in a positive sense for the Democrats.

dave allen (Mon Mar 22 09:55:08 2010)

Guido,
So expressive and intelligent. Now I know why I go to this forum , so I can be enlightened by you. (not by Duke and Emily who I may disagree with but who just can't seem to be clear with their ideas)

dave allen (Mon Mar 22 12:29:03 2010)

Dave,
You're full of crapity, crap, crap.

Guido (Mon Mar 22 11:12:48 2010)

***Obama, Dems are ready, this week, to campaign on their health care victory***

Celebrate your victory while you can, my friends, for tomorrow you lose.

C.R. Stevenson (Mon Mar 22 14:40:51 2010)

C.R.- As much as I would like to think you are right, do not be so sure. First, voters have notoriously short memories. Second, if so many folks did not believe in Santa Claus, something for nothing, no way would we have the Congress we do. Sad that "nothing" or less is what so many future voters will get, because of the voters' ignorance and greed today.
Third, it is a long time between now and November.
4th, the Republicans we replace or attempt to replace them with may not be much if any better, and
finally, recall the words of VI Lenin: "He who votes counts as nothing. He who counts the votes, counts as everything." Expect the most corrupt vote in American history if we are not vigilant. I would not be surprised to see millions of newly enfranchised illegals at the polls this fall.

Ken Van Doren (Tue Mar 23 09:01:59 2010)

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