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11/16/2010
Tears (my own) and full-body scanners
I tried my own brand of civil disobedience yesterday – and I’m not sure I’d recommend it. Fresh from grinding through the morning’s news, I knew of John Tyner’s San Diego International airport experience. Well, I had my own.
Standing in the security line at Baltimore Washington International yesterday, it was easy to see the new “naked-scanners” (full-body scanners) in use. Exclusively. As I got closer to the moving belt, the old-fashioned metal detector was re-set and put into use, seemingly (?) to help speed up the line. Great! I breathed a huge sigh of relief – I didn’t want to go through the anti-modesty machine, but also wasn’t sure what my decision would be if forced to do so.
Ok, so folks start through the old-fashioned screeners. Everyone. But when my turn comes, I’m motioned through the naked-scanner. I objected, asked why ("random selection") and shared that I preferred the regular detector. Oh no, not possible – it’s not my job or right to make a choice. Rather, I’d have to submit to a pat down. I asked for details and learned I would be patted under my breasts and up the inside of my leg until “we feel resistance.” Oh my.
I asked for a supervisor. And then another supervisor. And then the gendarmes showed up. Three of them. Oh my.
My goal was to have somebody – anybody – explain the rationale. Someone, anyone to say anything except “The TSA decides, they’re the government agency and we don’t question – and you certainly don’t question.”
I was told flying is a privilege and security is what passengers agree to go through for that privilege. I was told I would be escorted from the building. When I asked why not a more intelligent, scientific process, using discernment and discrimination, one of the marshalls, shocked, said something like “discrimination! That’s illegal!!” I kid you not.
Long story short, unlike the San Diego scenario, I couldn’t retreat from the airport; I had to get home. I capitulated and underwent the humility of a nude photo, with hands raised overhead as prescribed. The picture was easily seen by anyone who cared (just sayin’ Janet) to crane a neck. I was avenged for my disobedience; my belongings summarily dropped to the ground, unprotected computer-in-gray-tub nearest to the floor (screen unbroken, still works). After going through the scanner a second time, my heavily stuffed briefcase and carry-on were minutely searched with those radiation sensing gizmos. Square inch by square inch, as I was instructed exactly where and how to stand by TSA madams McLeary and Knox, still seething with my insurrection.
Knowing I was treading on dangerous ground, I asked how many terrorists might be getting through while they were spending all this silly time with me. One of them, very irritated, said “plenty.”
And that’s the down side of my determined show of resistance. The goal is security. I get that. I interfered with it – putting other passengers’ lives at risk.
I walked to the gate following the humiliating ordeal (that yes, I brought upon myself) and asked for an Air Trans supervisor. Very rattled, I think I stayed calm long enough to express my concern about TSA. “Yes, I know… but they’re a government agency…” Yes, sir, but they are impacting your business. If they’re not doing their job effectively, you airlines are those who must stop them. And if they are doing their job effectively, please let me know of your confidence in them. Dear Mr. Brook was attentive and sincere in his empathy; I left my card, asked for a mailed response, then couldn’t stop the tears from flowing.
Landing at Mitchell Field, I noted the full-body imagers at the C Concourse security setup – I don’t think they were there 5 days ago when I left - ??
If you must or simply desire to fly, you absolutely must first decide that you and your family will submit to these naked-scanners – or to a pretty rigorous pat-down. It’s not an easy decision.
Jo Egelhoff, FoxPolitics.net
Selected news…
Get the government out of our pants – has the Transportation Security Administration finally gone too far? Steve Chapman. I won’t pull paragraphs – the whole piece is excellent.
Full frontal nudity doesn’t make us safer: Abolish the TSA. Art Carden. Again, excellent.
Naked-scanner lobbyists close to Obama, decision-makers
Many experts and critics suspect that the full-body "naked scanners" recently deployed at U.S. airports do little to make us more secure, and a lot to make us angry, embarrassed and late. For instance, the scanners can't see through skin, and so weapons or explosives can be hidden safely in body cavities.
.... But there's a deeper question to ask: how far are we willing to go to prevent weapons or bombs from getting on airplanes? In the past decade, terrorists on airplanes have killed just about 3,000 people -- all on one day. Even if the Christmas Day bomber had succeeded, the number would be under 3,500.
Those are horrible deaths. But in that same period, more than 150,000 people have been murdered in the United States. We haven't put the entire U.S. on lockdown -- or even murder capitals like Detroit, New Orleans and Baltimore.
While reducing the murder rate to zero is very desirable, we also understand that the costs, in terms of liberty and resources, are too great. But when it comes to air travel, 9/11 seems to have stripped away our ability to put things in perspective.
Napolitano says abandoning airport scanners would be “irresponsible” FoxNews.
TSA to investage Oceanside man ejected from airport, may prosecute. SignOn San Diego
"The requirement for all the passengers is that once they enter the screening area and submit themselves to the screening process, to complete the screening,"
Full-body backlash. Nate Silver
…a new poll came in from CBS News showing 81 percent of Americans supporting the full body scans. So, it does not appear that the high levels of support were an artifact of the timing of the previous surveys, most of which had been conducted shortly after the Christmas Day bombing attempt.
Nevertheless, I would guess that only somewhere between 1 and 5 percent of Americans have so far traveled through a security line where such machines were in use; it will probably take some time before we know where public opinion settles in on this topic.
Another issue is that most of these surveys are asking about the full-body machines in a vacuum. I’d be curious to see what the results were if respondents were asked to pick between full-body machines and traditional metal detectors.
COMMENTS
JO, you are a brave soul, asking those questions until you get a rational answer. And if “plenty” of terrorists got through while they were dodging your questions, it is THEIR fault, not yours. You are a hero. They are goons. Someone needs to teach TSA that there is a legal definition of discrimination [not profiling] so they can use better judgement on choosing their body scan victims.
timbeaux (Tue Nov 16 07:36:31 2010)
JO, I wonder if that new high-speed rail train will require TSA to body scan or frisk folks? How popular do you think HSR will be if it does? How many terrorists will HSR attract if it doesn’t?
timbeaux (Tue Nov 16 08:08:24 2010)
Take heart, Jo. I just returned last Saturday from DC and faced the same bluebelly goons.
My first experience with the nuggie booths was in Tulsa last August. I was surprised to see them and, being caught unprepared, just walked through with everyone else. Afterward I realized I had just been given a full-body xray!
On the plane ride home I wondered about the dental tech that hides behind a shield while I (wearing a lead-lined bib) get a tiny little tooth xrayed. I thought too about the delayed results of the effects of defoliant chemicals on my shipmates and comrades-in-arms back in Vietnam. I've come to the conclusion that, nothwithstanding our government's protestations to the contrary, these nuke booths are not healthy devices.
As I saw the hated machines in the DC airport, being operated by the government machines, I knew what was going to happen and only hoped I'd get through the ordeal without a trip thought the DC criminal justice system. At some point insurrection and civil disobedience has to turn violent - it's a law of nature.
There was enough traffic through the security line that they weren't nuking everyone, so I thought at first I'd get lucky. Didn't happen. When the bluebelly motioned me toward the machine I told him, "Sorry I'm not going through your little nuclear fallout machine. I got my dose of carcinogens in Vietnam." He got a look in his eyes like he was taking it personally. He said in a loud voice over his shoulder something like, "We got an opt-out."
Not to be outdone, I shouted over my shoulder, loud enough for everyone in line to hear, "That's right, I'm opting-out. It's my right to do so, just like the rest of these people." Both the audience and the goons increased dramatically. I felt we were at about the same level of confrontation, but now I was facing about a half-dozen bluebellies and one or two airport cops. The government forces amassed behind the bluebelly while he explained in businesslike language that he'd have to do the intrusive (groin-probe) pat down search. I told him that would be fine, "...but the first person who grabs my nuts gets an elbow in the face." One of the airport cops warned me about, "...serious consequences of any violence." I looked him straight in the eye and warned him about the serious consequences of sexual assault.
Our assembled mob of bluebellies, airport cops and a couple of TSA supervisors then retreated to the secluded area they use for groping people.
As my buddy was rubbing my legs with his palms I asked him where his radiation dosimeter was. I gave him my take on the delayed effects of cancer causing chemicals and ionizing radiation, and how many of the guys I served with in Vietnam were dead or dying from a chemical the government said was perfectly safe. He didn't say anything, but one of the TSA supervisors told me to "shut up." Little did he know that he just brought his fellow TSA goon a step closer to an elbow in the nose.
After my ordeal, had I been a woman, I guess I would have cried too. Instead I have made a commitment to myself, and now to you as well, to end this travesty. It's time to get these machines out of airports, it's time to get these goons' hands out of our pants; it's time to provide real airport security the way El Al and the Isralies do, and it's time to get the corrupt and inept idiots out of our government. If we fail, the terrorists really have won.
Duke (Tue Nov 16 08:45:39 2010)
Yea, yea... I say let's eliminate these body checks and safety measures totally. Are you listening Mr. bin Laden?
OR... we could just opt for the bus.
Jack Lohman (Tue Nov 16 08:59:28 2010)
Help is on the way, Jo! Read this:
Airports CAN opt-out of the whole government TSA program and contract with people who know what they're doing. Even if I have to pay more to travel through private-security airports, that's where I'll fly from and to.
[Thanks Duke - read the article earlier which you site and included it in this morning's FoxPolitics News. Jo]
Duke (Tue Nov 16 09:02:37 2010)
William Roper: So, now you give the Devil the benefit of law!
Sir Thomas More: Yes! What would you do? Cut a great road through the law to get after the Devil?
William Roper: Yes, I'd cut down every law in England to do that!
Sir Thomas More: Oh? And when the last law was down, and the Devil turned 'round on you, where would you hide, Roper, the laws all being flat? This country is planted thick with laws, from coast to coast, Man's laws, not God's! And if you cut them down, and you're just the man to do it, do you really think you could stand upright in the winds that would blow then? Yes, I'd give the Devil benefit of law, for my own safety's sake!
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So now we see the full fruits of Benjamin Franklin's warning that "Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."
Or as Patrick Henry warned in his most famous speech before the Virginia House of Burgesses, that it is always our own government that forges and rivets the chains that will bind us.
So now our government claims the authority to oogle our womenfolk and feel our junk and torment our children in a procedure that even the Israelis haven't thought are necessary.
Without conviction of a crime, without arrest, without probable cause, without even any reasonably articulable suspicion, but merely for wanting to fly to Vegas for an anniversary we are told to endure a intrusion by federal agents. (Interstate travel without let or hindrance *actually is specifically described in the Constitution.) No more!
The TSA must be abolished. Entirely. Local governments must assert criminal charges against such assaults until TSA is abolished. Travel companies MUST demand the TSA be removed from the airports as not only an ineffective waste of tax dollars, but also impediment to actual safety procedures.
Remember, they hate us for our freedom.[sic] Punch Mitt Romney in the nose the next time he says that.
Brian Heyer, CPA (Tue Nov 16 09:18:35 2010)
Wow, Duke, the terrorists are going to love this one. We'll even give them a list of airports to target...
Seriously, there's one thing that has not yet been tried and that's ground-to-air missiles, and it will take just one to start the panic nationally. The cost to protect our nation's private jets with laser defense (like on Air Force One) is about $10 billion. But Congress shot that requirement down. In time they WILL reassess it, but only after a craft has been downed.
Jack Lohman (Tue Nov 16 09:18:38 2010)
You absolutely floor me, Jack. I was just down at Home Depot yesterday to pick up a couple of Stinger missles, and do you know how expensive they've become!? As a proponent of the law of supply and demand I have to assume it's because the terrorists have bought them all up. Get real.
By the way, Jack, If memory serves, there have been many buses and a few trains attacked by muslim nutjobs too. I think probably more than airplanes.
Oh, yeah, don't miss the story about how George Soros has over 11,000 shares in one of the companies that makes the federal peep-show scanners. Now there's something YOU can sink your teeth into.
Duke (Tue Nov 16 09:31:06 2010)
Just thinking that HSR is a lot harder for terrorists to bring down. Might make them cheaper to run since security would be easier.
Dean Weichmann (Tue Nov 16 09:35:59 2010)
@ Duke & Jack,
Forget Soros. Chertoff, the fmr director of State Security, is a lobbyist/consultant for Rapiscan, one of the mfrs of the porno-scanners.
See the scam? TSA is a show to assure the masses that fed.gov is Doing Something About Something. It can be a fantastic waste of money, but at least it's highly visible and the soccer moms can feel safe (until their child is molested by fed.gov blue-bellies.)
Brian Heyer, CPA (Tue Nov 16 09:56:13 2010)
HELP! We must submit in an airport. I was recently treated rudely and asked for a supervisor. When the supervisor came I retreated out of fear.
Not long ago my wife was "wanded" in Salt Lake airport. NOBODY touches my wife like that. I had to walk away before I did something I would regret.
David (Tue Nov 16 09:59:40 2010)
Someone mentioned radiation dangers, there are lots of opinions on this. Here is one.
>>>some have expressed concerns about cumulative radiation exposure from the scans if they become more commonplace.
Still, most experts in radiation say the fears are unfounded.
The scanners being ordered by the government use a technology called backscatter x-rays, which deliver a low dose of radiation," said Dr. James Thrall, chair of the American College of Radiology and chair of radiology at Massachusetts General Hospital in Boston. "Moreover, the individual x-rays themselves are very low energy, and unlike the x-ray spectrum that we use in medicine, the backscatter x-rays don't really penetrate to the organs in the body.<<<
Dean Weichmann (Tue Nov 16 10:22:48 2010)
No system is foolproof. At some point if terrorists persist in their focus on airplanes, some will be downed.
I for one prefer whatever screening measures security folks can dream up. There are never guarantees, but the intent is to reduce the risk, cut the probabilities to a very small number.
There are alternatives to these measures. A. Use private air service. B. Travel by some other mode than air. C. Stay home.
I see nowhere that air travel is a Constitutional right.
Regarding the modesty thing. If you have ever been subjected to hospitalization---the viewing and touching by dozens of staff from doctors and nurses to techs and even maintenance---body privacy is a joke.
Perhaps because I am older and my body is no prize the scanner is no big deal. X-ray exposure is a concern but a trade-off I choose if I want to fly commercially.
What next to protect some Victorian sense of modesty? Gender appropriate morticians?
Dennis (Tue Nov 16 10:52:02 2010)
The point is not comparison with a hospital Dennis. And the ultimate point isn't modesty. The point is the competency and effectiveness of the TSA and the trust one has in it. You go ahead and trust it. I will continue to look for more information to better understand its competency and to push for an ever more effective agency - or private (or military?) alternative.
Jo (Tue Nov 16 11:11:11 2010)
I don't agree with you often, but you're dead on here. The amount of security theater in airports is ridiculous. I highly recommend Bruce Schneier's writing on this (and any other) security issue.
Marcus (Tue Nov 16 11:17:31 2010)
Jo,
Any observant person realizes the TSA is no high quality operation. Having flown hundreds of flights since 9/11 and been through uncounted TSA checkpoints, I can verify that the TSA people and processes are almost comical.
This being said, what are the alternatives? How much more do we as taxpayers or flyers want to pay for Israeli level security?
Political pressure to raise quality is blowing in the wind. Too many groups have a vested interest in the current system.
As you are want to challenge me...show me your solutions! (Asking questions is a means to getting information, but not a solution.)
Dennis (Tue Nov 16 11:23:56 2010)
As I have had a pace-maker for near 15 years now and getting ready for my third, everytime I flew, I had to have a body pat-down. I didn't think it was a big deal and still don't. Laws are for everyone whether we like them or not. Some always are a little un-nerving or silly, but still perhaps necessary. You don't know the person patting you and they don't know you. So who cares! Get over it!
John Hyland (Tue Nov 16 13:04:52 2010)
Jo, this makes me sick to my stomach. What has this country come to? So much for the land of the "free".
Mrs. RWC (Jeremy's wife) (Tue Nov 16 13:18:53 2010)
The Council on American-Islamic Relations has a list of "special recommendations for Muslim women who wear hijab" at the link below (scroll to the bottom) that might be helpful for all travelers.
http://www.cair.com/ArticleDetails.aspx?ArticleID=26681&&name=n&&currPage=1
Those who practice other religions (Christians, Mormons, Jews, Buddhists, etc.) should be treated the same, right?
Mrs. RWC (Tue Nov 16 13:35:36 2010)
Remember, Jo, these airport scans and pat-downs you write of are the product of a government that has engaged in torture and warrantless surveillance of American citizens,among other nefarious activities.
When a government has gone as far as this one has in the name of national security, this latest alleged affront to our civil liberties pales in comparison.
These security checks you write of are, without doubt, intrusive and inconvenient, not to mention acutely embarrassing for some people. In the wake of all the complaints being aired, TSA will no doubt be refining its methods. Anyway, let's hope so.
But don't expect searches of this kind to go away. Unimpeded air travel is not a constitutional right. These searches do touch on Fourth Amendment issues, but given the scope of power granted the executive branch over the years, it's hard to imagine this sort of thing not passing constitutional muster.
If the power of the National Security State (as some have called it) is ever to be checked, we need to choose our battles wisely. This airport stuff is, in context, small potatoes. I urge you to choose another battle.
Jim Meyer (Tue Nov 16 14:39:14 2010)
An airline flight is not a privilege, it is a product that we pay dearly for. Or rather, that YOU pay dearly for: I stopped using this service about a decade ago because even then we were subjected to unreasonable searches and seizures. The thugs finally have reached a point where any reasonable human being must object.
In the meantime I have discovered what a wonderful country we live in, when you take it at 65-75 mph instead of flying over it. There really is no rush - Even in a family emergency, I arrived before the death of my dear mom 1,000 miles away.
Drudge's headline is correct: The terrorists have won. But we don't need to continue to participate in the invasions of privacy and sexual assaults. The sooner the airlines understand this and stand up for their customers, the sooner the thugs will be forced to back off.
Warren B (Tue Nov 16 15:47:16 2010)
"I asked why not a more intelligent, scientific process, using discernment and discrimination ..."
So only those who look of Arab descent get the special treatment? Did Timothy McVeigh look Arabic? Are you expecting that all terrorists LOOK like someone's narrow definition of a terrorist?
ddddd (Tue Nov 16 16:09:45 2010)
As the full body scan becomes the new weapon against terror, I expect exceptions when some religious group brings a lawsuit and will get a pass as their objections will be supported by our ACLU.
Don (Tue Nov 16 19:04:16 2010)
I don't know the science of profiling for use with airplane passengers, but it's my understanding it's successfully used in many countries, including Israel. An Arab-looking person may or may not match the profile, given other characteristics. As many have said, body-scanning everyone may be popular, politically correct and seem to indicate we're "doing something", but it's not the way to go after potential terrorists.
Jo (Tue Nov 16 21:13:15 2010)
Are they using these for passengers on Air Force One? Are Sasha and Malia subjected to the PervCam?
Ben Masel (Tue Nov 16 23:32:33 2010)
Timothy McVeigh would have survived profiling and Israel has used patdowns longer than we have. Get over it or take a bus. Remember, this is also a free market issue! it will remain only as long as necessary.
Jack Lohman (Wed Nov 17 05:17:40 2010)
Our teen daughter is flying on a school trip in spring. We will not be going with them. Any suggestions? The teacher said they would be briefed and have 8 kids with an adult chaperone. Should I make like it's no big deal to her? Don't want her to worry. And yet... The kids growing up with this may come to accept it, and then, well, the government can do just about anything to them - for their own good. argh
Soapbox Jill (Wed Nov 17 18:15:37 2010)
Yes Soapbox Jill, that is the dilemma. How do we protect the skies, protect the lives of American families, working together as a community, protect privacy, and at the same time be assured that our government is effectively doing the job we and the airlines are paying them to do?
Perhaps discuss with your daughter the ways in which her privacy will be violated and that it is the price we pay to keep our country safe. Ask her to form - and communicate - her impressions of the professionalism of the employees and what she is able to ascertain, as a lay person and U.S. citizen, about the effectiveness of the airport's security program.
Jo (Wed Nov 17 20:05:54 2010)
My wife and I have already made the decision we WILL NOT be flying again until this is resolved. This is absolutely NUTS! The bad guys will still be the bad guys and figure out ways around our nonsense. The airlines had best wake up and the government had best learn from Israel how to handle security!
ric (Thu Nov 18 08:45:22 2010)
Will those of you who think it's OK for the TSA to use these variations of airport security think the same way when body cavity searches are implemented because a terrorist inserted a plastic explosive into his rectum and boarded a plane?
C. R. Stevenson (Sat Nov 20 00:49:04 2010)
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• The World is Flat...what about health care?
• The PAC - too precious to fail. Day 3
• News follow-ups: Appleton West, Kagen at the White House
• Fox Cities PAC - too precious to fail - Day 2
• Fox Cities PAC - too precious to fail
• New Transit Tax coming your way
• Rep. Petri has his finger in the dike - I guess
• AASD Retirement Costs Burdensome
• Health care, health care, health care, health care
• Water rate increase was no slam dunk
• Education for all is just a bad dream
• New Year's resolutions from a parade snob
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