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    10/24/2007
    Do you need to read the regs to get a hunting license?

    As if a harbinger of the season, a Waupaca County man is selling “No trespassing without permission” signs in Hmong for $4 each. (The Green Bay Press Gazette article was included in yesterday’s FoxPolitics News.)

    A FoxPolitics reader forwarded a note sent to the DNR earlier this month. After asking in the note not to be considered prejudiced or a racist, he wrote:

    In America we speak English. It is our national language. Previous immigrants to America, no matter what their country of origin, have learned to speak English.

    ….All hunters, fishermen and trappers must abide by the same rules. To print any portion of these rules in any language other than English only serves to enable those who do not wish to learn to read or speak English to continue to do so.

    We are constantly reminded by police and game wardens that "ignorance of the law is no excuse". How can someone unable to speak English be expected to understand, much less follow, the law? How can an individual who does not speak English pass a hunter safety course, or even know they must do so in order to legally purchase a license? How can any individual speaking any other language lawfully purchase a hunting or fishing license? Will all clerks at all license outlets be required to speak fluent foreign languages to accommodate those who do not speak English? Will Wisconsin’s game wardens be required to speak fluent foreign languages so they can enforce our hunting and fishing laws equally amongst all participants? Who would end up paying for these outrageous attempts to appease the few?

    A DNR Wildlife Rules and Regulations Assistant responded graciously:

    …. The DNR is publishing regulations in other languages to assist these new citizens with our hunting laws as they learn our written language. It would be unfair to overlook this need for assistance by making the assumption that they do not want to learn to read or speak English. Our hunting rules and regulations can be complicated for some to understand even in English.

    It is the DNR’s goal to inform all legally licensed hunters of the hunting rules and regulations so that we can sustain a healthy wildlife population and provide a safe and enjoyable hunting experience.

    I asked Scott Loomans of the DNR (Madison, Bureau of Wildlife Management) if hunters could get hunting licenses without having read the regulations. He said yes, but hunters are expected to know what’s in the regs. Loomans pointed out that a one page overview of this year’s Deer Regulations is available in Spanish and in Hmong. (See pages 53 and 54.)

    A year ago the Hmong American Partnership here in Appleton conducted classes teaching the regulations to non-English speaking hunters; this year, those classes were not available. The Partnership suggested I talk to last year’s instructor, Kou Xiong.

    Xiong, Hmong Liaison with the DNR (Eau Claire), is a 14-year veteran of the agency and trained in law enforcement and criminal justice. He has offered the Regulations training class in the past and this year was only able to offer three classes in the whole state, as he is also training a large class of instructors. It is these men who will take over Hmong-language training throughout the state next year. Good news.

    Meanwhile, how many licensed, non-English language hunters haven’t read and aren’t familiar with this year’s Deer Hunting Regs? For those of you hunters out there, does that matter?


    COMMENTS

    For that matter, how many native English-speaking hunters haven’t read and aren’t familiar with this year’s Deer Hunting Regs?
    Great point. JE

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    grumps (Wed Oct 24 11:30:38 2007)

    I'm not a hunter but this seems to be looking into the wrong end of the scope (to coin a phrase)... or maybe putting the cart before the horse.

    Is trespassing by Asians a known problem in the first place? Or is the signage meant to be a deterrent for some suspected and presumed misdeed? Or is it just some entrepreneur trying to turn a fast buck with the racists (whom they all say they aren't?)

    The FP piece today also says that last year training was given and this year not. Is this a budget cut issue-- one which FP has gone on about extensively? If so, I'll take this "teaching moment" (a phrase now popular with Paul Krugman and others) to point out that diminished services result from tax cuts whether it be at the DNR or elsewhere.

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    Lon Ponschock (Wed Oct 24 11:58:40 2007)

    I’m not a hunter, but a number of family and friends are. I would consider that it is not so much a matter of READING the regs, or even speaking English, but rather understanding the rules and taking responsibility for following them.

    Not even all English speakers are able to read the regs. There are illiterates and dyslexics among us, some of whom can be responsible hunters, as can Hmong and Spanish speakers. Under what circumstances is literacy legally mandated?

    When your correspondent asks: "Who would end up paying for these outrageous attempts to appease the few", I wonder “how few?”, how to evaluate "appease" in this context", and especially what “outrageous attempts”? I trust that said “outrageous attempts” are:

    * "Will all clerks at all license outlets be required to speak fluent foreign languages to accommodate those who do not speak English?"

    * "Will Wisconsin’s game wardens be required to speak fluent foreign languages so they can enforce our hunting and fishing laws equally amongst all participants?"

    Unless these are actual proposals under question, they are straw men erected by the correspondent for the purpose of questioning the hunting rights of non-English speakers. The examples are so egregiously outrageous, particularly when casts as "attempts to appease the few", they seem more like scare tactics than arguments.

    I would agree there is a burden of proof on any hunter to know and respect the rules. The burden on those who issue licenses is not to do so for those who cannot meet the rules, such as by taking appropriate classes -- in whatever language.

    It seems that both the DNR and the Hmong community are working to address priority concerns, which have little to do with enabling non-English speakers, and more to do with ensuring responsibility and safety.

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    Terry Dawson (Wed Oct 24 16:36:16 2007)

    The wording on the sign itself is wrong. It should say "no entry without permission." It's not "trespassing" if permission to enter is given. People apparently believe that it's still "trespassing" if permission is given. That's what the sign says
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    Ray Mueller (Fri Oct 26 18:38:34 2007)

    Furthermore...

    ...while I can't cite hard evidence, I've heard more than once, anecdotally, that first generation immigrants seldom learn the new language. The second generation is bilingual, and the third generation has lost the old language.

    I do know a couple of things: Appleton had a German language newspaper for over 50 years. And when I lived in Northern Michigan some decades back, there were more than a few Finns who had no English -- but their children did.

    None of this reduces the need to ensure that hunters can be licensed responsibly. But I hope that we are all willing to afford today's Asian and Central American immigrants the dignity and leeway our European ancestors enjoyed -- or better. None of us wants to remember our grandparents as suffering from discrimination, though many did ("No Irish need apply"). We can do better.

    It's not about enabling non-English speakers. It's about responsibility and respect.
    More wise words from a wise man. Thank you Terry. JE

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    Terry Dawson (Fri Oct 26 11:03:41 2007)

    In response to the first comment, the last time I checked English was not the official language of the United States. In fact at the present time (and throughout the history of our country) we do not have an "official" language. The printing of the hunting regulations in several languages reflects this. Wouldn't you prefer that all of the 300,000 plus hunters walking around in the woods (more armed Americans than we currently have in Iraq) all understand and play by the same rules? I don't think that it's inflammatory or racist to post a no trespassing sign in areas with high first generation Hmong populations.

    I have lived in countries outside the U.S. at times in my life, and I can attest to how hard it is to learn and become fluent in a second language as an adult. You don't have to like any group of immigrants, but as naturalized citizens you have to live with them. As long as hunters have fulfilled all of the requirements of the DNR they have the same right to hunt that you and everyone else does.

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    James Woggin (Wed Nov 14 16:05:28 2007)




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